Conversation On Going Professional with Ronika Merl


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Making The Decision To Go Professional

In this episode, I talk with Ronika Merl, a screenwriter out of Ireland who at the time of the interview late last year had quit her day job and decided to take her craft to the next level and went professional. Ronika reached out to me via email and wanted to share her experience with going professional. If you are thinking about taking your practice to the next level, take a listen to someone who has just recently did that very thing and learn from her experience.

Ronkia Merl’s Bio

Ronika is an award-winning screenwriter, writer, and producer.
Having placed highly in both the Academy Nicholl Fellowship as well as the Austin Film Festival in 2019, she has since expanded her slate to contain more than 22 feature-length scripts, 4 of which are currently in preproduction or development with various production companies.

She is also producing her “Wicklow Stories” Anthology “The Pier” in coordination with No Wifi.

Her autobiography “The Unfinished Heart” is slated for publication in the coming years, and her textbook for Irish Screenwriters “The Hustle” is now available on Amazon or can be purchased directly from her.

She has consulted on projects in the US, UK, South Africa and Australia.

Discussion topics on Going Professional

  • The hardest point of going professional that Ronika was unprepared for
  • What drives her to overcome obstacles
  • Advice she gives artists who are considering going professional
  • Dealing with collages who are not as professional as she is
  • Who inspired her to make films
  • Her definition of success

Links to Ronika’s work

Reaching Out

To reach out to me, email timothy@createartpodcast.com I would love to hear about your journey and what you are working on. If you would like to be on the show or have me discuss a topic that is giving you trouble write in and let’s start that conversation.

Transcripts for Going Professional

Introduction


Tim: Create art podcast conversations going pro with Ronica, Merl. Hello friends. This is Timothy Kimo. Brian, your head instigator for create art podcast where I use my 20 plus years in arts and education. To help you tame your inner critic and create more than you consume. Now, have you ever wondered what it would be like to quit your day job and go full professional?
That’s a scary thought. Isn’t it? Some of you may have thought there’s no way I’d be able to leave the security or a steady the security of a job or a steady paycheck. Well, if this pandemic has taught us anything, it’s that the time to dive into your passion may be now don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying at the end of this episode, you should give your boss a two weeks notice and start doing underwater basket weaving full time.
And that if you do it, it’ll pay the bills. What I am saying is that it may be time for you to take a look at your, at the next step in your practice and start thinking about making this your vocation with anything there is risk. And even if you don’t feel like going full price, You may want to listen in on this conversation that I had with Ronica Merrill, who at the time of the interview had just quit her day job and decided to go full pro doing screenwriting in Ireland.
Now she just didn’t decide one day to drop everything. She did have a plan and had been working on it for a few years before she made that leap. Now you’re probably asking, well, who is Ronica Merle? Well, she’s an award-winning screenwriter. Writer and producer, and has placed very highly in both the academy Nicole fellowship, as well as the Austin film festival in 2019.
She has since expanded her slate to contain more than 22 feature scripts, four of which are being currently pre production or development with various production company. And she also is producing her Wicklow stories, anthology, and the peer in coordination with no wifi. Now her autobiography, the unfinished heart is slated for publication in the coming years.
And. The her textbook for Irish screenwriters, the hustle is now available on Amazon, or it can be purchased directly from her. She has consulted with projects in the U S the UK, South Africa and Australia. And you can look at her work on her website and ID B IMDV page. Now links are going to be in the show notes, and then we’ll also have the transcript of the conversation we had in the show.
For you to look at now, when it came, when I came up with this topic Going pro is one I really wanted to tackle and it’s not because I’m technically a professional artist. However, I’ve consoled others to make that break and start earning income from their practice. Now, luckily Ronica reached out to me at the perfect time, and I’m very pleased to bring you the conversation that we.
Feel free to share this episode with your friends and with somebody that, you know, that may be thinking about going pro also drop by Ronica his website and let her know that I went ahead and sent you. And now here’s the conversation that I had with Monica mural on going pro

Interview

Ronika: So I recently quit my day job. Which was probably the most exciting moment of my artistic career so far, it was an absolute thrill. Right. And literally today it’s 2:00 AM here. So today is my last day in employment. Ever, hopefully fingers crossed ever. And it’s been quite the journey like it has been, it has been quite the journey to get me here.
I started freelance copywriting in 2017 am. Now it’s 2021. So it took me, it took me four years to get to a point where I thought, okay, I’m going to be able to make that leap. I’m going to be able to make that jump and really live off my writing. Immediately after I, I wrote my resume resignation email.
I immediately regretted panic. Completely lost my mind because I thought, oh my God, am I good? Am I God? What am I doing? What am I doing? I am not prepared for that. Capable of this. But I think as you’d expect it to but I think that’s kind of when, when the, when your confidence in your craft has to, has to come in and you have to.
Bring yourself back down and say, listen, you got this, you know exactly what you’re doing. You are a professional, you know, no matter what happens there, your craft is what is going to get you to the next level that you need to be reaching. And I think that’s why it’s usually important that before anybody stops thinking or starts thinking about stopping their day job is that they first are a professional artists in whatever field they’re in.
They need to be confident that, you know if push comes to shove, they can create at a, at a full-time level kind of pace because chances are as soon as you stop as soon as you stop your day job, it’s not that you stop working it’s that you work that much harder at what you, what you want to be doing.
Which is also, I think why it’s usually important to actually have a day job for a good while. I think it’s important to understand what it feels like to work for 40 hours a week or six years a week or 80 hours a week, because that’s what you’re going to be doing for the rest of your life. So, and if you don’t have that discipline in you if you, if you think, oh, I’m just going to be, I don’t know, I’m just going to be an artist on.
Because the old saying goes, you know, if you give him on a job that he loves, he’ll never work a day in his life. No, no, no, no. You’ll work. You will work a lot. You will work very, very, very hard. It’s just that hopefully you have a lot of satisfaction doing the work. But it’s still going to be work. Like you’re going to be up as I am now.
You’re going to be up at two o’clock in the morning and you’re going to be super, super happy to be up at two o’clock in the morning, talking about what you love doing and talking about your art and talking about your craft. But the fact still remains you’re up at two o’clock in the morning and you’re working.
And I think a lot of people are, are misunderstanding. That aspect. And I think as soon as people who aren’t maybe involved in, in, in a creative or an artistic pursuit, I think, oh my God, it’s some sort of magical innate. Beautiful mysterious landscape that an artist just sneezes and a portrait exists, or, you know, a writer just sits down and types a sentence like Carrie Bradshaw at her window looking out
that’s immediately. It, no.
It’s not it’s, that’s not what, that’s not what it is. It’s it’s work. It’s really, really hard work. And so quitting the day job to be able to, to pursue a different day job. Doesn’t mean that you’re, that you’re, that you stop working. So I think that that was kind of my major takeaway was that, yeah, I wasn’t going to have any more free time now.
I wasn’t going to, I could structure my day a little bit better around, you know, my small children or, or other, or the things that I need to take care of, but it was never going to be that I worked less.

Tim: True true. And will. And especially in your field with, you know, with the screenwriting and with making films, I’ve got a tiny bit of experience.
I, you know, I looked at your bio and I’ve listened to a couple of your interviews. And I know the work as just an actor in a film, in a small film, not in a much less, you know, major motion picture. A lot of work and it’s a lot of standing around and not doing anything. And then to have that, you know, two minutes of, okay, you know, getting the character, make sure that you have all your lines, all the, you know affects and, you know, make sure that the sound guy, especially the sound guy is is on point physical point.

Ronika: I was. Sorry. Yeah. I was going to say the film industry, like as it’s very, it’s very topical at the moment. I know when this goes out, it’d probably be boiled over, but the whole film industry in the state just went on strike. So yeah, for good reason, because they’re 16 hour days, you know, they’re 16 hour days in the sunshine, in the freezing cold.
And so I absolutely stand in solidarity with my, with my colleagues over there. So yeah, but as you were, sorry, you were saying. Oh, well, I, I was gonna ask I, I was going to pop back a little bit and ask you, you know, you know, you’re, you’re doing the resignation letter, you know, today’s your last day.
I feel privileged to be here with you to do that. I, you know, I want to grab, you know, a cake for you or something, but, you know, what’s, what’s the hardest thing about going pro that, that you weren’t ready for it. And, and how are you overcoming that? I think the hardest thing about making the jump is the big dip that comes just after making the jump, because everything is beautiful and everything is rosy. If you know where your next paycheck is coming from, but there will come a time. There will come a moment in time. It’s just, it’s just going happen.
Where you don’t know where your next paycheck is coming from, and that will happen for most artists, unless you like, you know, I don’t know. Hozier or someone who had like this big hit with their first song and at 22 who never had to worry about a paycheck ever. But you know, if you’re, if you’re a normal, if you’re a normal kind of artist trying to, trying to go pro for a few years and then making the jump, there will come a time.
It might come a week after you make the jump. It might come a month. It might come a year after, but there will come a moment. And in that moment, Is where you have to question. And in that moment then is where you have to rely on your gumption and have to remind yourself of how hard you worked to get here.
Because chances are before you took the jump you had long nights, you sat at your kitchen table while your kids were asleep, or your partner was watching TV. You sat at the kitchen table looking at. Script researching something, writing a song, practicing you’re practicing your craft, you know? And that’s what you have to jump back on.
That’s what you have to remind yourself on. Is that okay? Yeah. No, at the moment, it’s a little bit difficult, but look what it took to get you. And yeah, you have to, you have to keep that perspective alive. And I think that that’s for me, at least for now, for the first few weeks when I’m kind of looking at, okay, my finances and Christmas is coming up and I have to kind of struggle around, okay.
I’m going to have to make things, structure things differently until the big gigs come in. Yeah, you have to remind yourself of, okay. It took a while, but it’s going to be fine because you, you got. It’s going to be fine. Yeah.

Tim: And I was gonna, cause you had mentioned about having confidence in your work, having confidence in your craft and from what I’m hearing, that’s one way that you can It helps you to overcome these, these hard times is having that confidence in there.
Is there anything else? And you’d mentioned the word gumption. And is there anything else that’s helping you get through these through the tough times of going pro?

Ronika: I think CRA, I think crafting con or confidence in craft is the most important thing. Because I know. There isn’t anything somebody could put in front of me that I couldn’t write.
You know, there isn’t, there isn’t a concept that I couldn’t possibly write about because that is what I do. This, this is my profession, you know friends. Who are supportive family who are supportive, that’s extremely important. I, I don’t have to worry about family cause I don’t have family, but friends who are important or friends who are supportive, that is hugely important.
Friends who cheer you on friends who are always no matter what going to be in your corner and want you to succeed. I think that. And I think what gets overlooked a lot of the time is just rest. You know, it is so important to also cause you’re hustling, you’re hustling, hustling, you’re running, you’re running, running, you’re, you’re trying to make this work and you, and you think, because again, you think, because this isn’t your job, your, you know, old-timey job where you have to, you know, do things that your boss wanted you to do.
You keep on running and you keep on, on trying to make something because you think, okay, this is what I always wanted to do. I’ve been working towards this for God knows how many years. Yeah. Yeah, no, you still need a day off. You still need to recharge your battery is specially in the creative industries.
You cannot be expected to create a masterpiece every single day. You have to rest, you have to recharge your batteries and you have to know how to that’s really important because I think a lot of artists they go into it and they love creating their art and they have natural kind of breaks. Before you become a professional, you have natural forest breaks because you are as an actor waitressing, or you are as a visual artist, you know, it’s just, you just cannot paint 24 7.
It is not possible. Or as a writer. Yeah. You’re going to sit in the office and write up reports about numbers in columns and Excel sheets,
which is what I did. And so. So you have natural breaks that, that recharge your creative juices. And as soon as you become a professional, all of a sudden you don’t tend to take those natural breaks, but you have to, and you have to know how to recharge those batteries. For me, for example, it’s painting.
I, I know I’m not. I know, as soon as I, as soon as I find myself holding a paintbrush, I know my writing isn’t, isn’t, isn’t going great. But you know, and I would never, I would never want to be known as a painter. It’s not it’s I I’m not, but I know it’s, it’s important. And I know that this is how I recharge my, my, my batteries.
So yeah, taking breaks and resting in between. Is important also. And I think the last thing I would, I would say is it to, to, to kind of alleviate the struggle is before you take the jump, understand how to market yourself, please, please. Before you become a professional. Please understand that you’re going to have to be up at two o’clock in the morning doing podcasts.
That’s how it works. You have to market yourself. Nobody’s going to come rush towards you unless you market yourself. And unless you, you know, people love working with you. And so, yeah, those are, those are the kinds of the kind of Biggest tips I can give to somebody turning pro is be confident in your craft, know that you can do this, you know, have friends and family around you to support you work really, really, really hard and be disillusioned about that.
Absolutely kill your illusions about having to work less. You’re going to have to work more and Yeah. Put yourself out there. Don’t be shy about that.

Tim: Yeah, no, I completely agree with you because unless you are a huge name you know, like Peter Jackson, for instance, or our Tom Cruise or something like that, people aren’t going to necessarily come and looking for you.
So you need to go to where those people are and go, Hey, you know I, I do screenwriting, I do poetry. I do podcasting. You got to put yourself out there because. Yeah, that’s how we got hooked up. You put yourself out there, you, you know, you messaged me and you’re like, Hey, and of course I’m going, you know, head over heels.

Ronika: I’m talking with a screenwriter in Ireland. Yes, that’s fantastic.
Exactly. Yeah, and I think also the biggest hurdle for me in that regard was Overcoming the imposter syndrome and overcoming the kind of odd, why would anybody ever want to know about me? Yeah. People do want to know about me. I have things to say, I’m a writer for God’s sake.
Of course I have things to say, you know, if I didn’t have things to say, I’d be not a very good writer. And so you have to, you know, it’s not being arrogant, thinking that you have things to say and thinking that your art is important. That’s not arrogant. That’s just, again, confidence in your craft. You have to get to a point where you really, truly deeply understand that what you do is important.
And if you don’t think it’s important, why are you doing it? You know, you have to, you have to have that confidence and that confidence doesn’t just come. There’s there’s two types of confidences. I think when it comes, when it comes to your own art, it’s either the overconfident kind of, oh my God. I’m the best artist that’s ever existed.
I don’t know if you know, there’s, there’s a few out there like that, maybe. Okay, fine. But then there’s this really deep seated that kind of really, really intrinsic, deep sea. Around it, confidence that just comes with years of experience. And that just comes with you with, with the knowledge that you absolutely it’s like a carpenter looking at a at a pile of, you know, slats and woods and stuff.
I just know inside their gods that they can build a table. It’s just, they know they have the materials there and they can do it if they need to, they can build that table. And that’s what I think you want to get to as an artist is that deep seated confidence, which again, helps you in promoting yourself, helps you in, in running into problems.
Because you just know you can work your way out of it because you have the craft and you have the knowledge and you have the professionalism to do it. So that’s important.

Tim: That is very important. I when I was in the military and the air force my unit, our motto was quiet, professional and. It, that was back when I was 18 when I was a pup.
And you know, now that I’m almost 50 on my God, I’m understanding that because when I do well, when I did because of COVID, I’m working from home, which is great for podcasting. I, but when I walk into a room, people know this is the guy. That you need to talk to. I don’t have to say a word. People just, you know, and it, and it didn’t happen when I was 19.
Didn’t happen when I was 30. It happened when I was about 40, 45. People knew my body of work through the jobs that I’ve had. And and, and when you get to that level, You may realize that you may not, but that’s something that, you know, to, to this day, I still work towards it because yes, I’m successful in what I’m doing, but I keep putting in the work, keep doing the craft.

Ronika: Yes. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. And and to get to that point, that kind of, that kind of. What I always say is I don’t want to be rich. I don’t want to be famous. I don’t need any of it. I just want there to be a few people in the world. If they run into a problem, I want them to think, oh, I know who can fix this.
I know who can write us this script. I know who we can call. Ronnie. And so that is that all you want to aspire to be there should be, there should be a good few people in the industry that you were working in whose go to person you are in, in your discipline. If you have that. Then my, you have, you have it, you have that.
And I so quite recently, actually, and this, I probably shouldn’t be talking about it, but I will because it’s in the states anyway, and this is Ireland. So quite recently I’m not a member. I’m not actually a member of the screen writers Guild of Ireland. I don’t know why I just haven’t gotten around to actually becoming a fully fledged member, but.
They had their annual general meeting a few weeks ago. And in the annual general meeting, I came up. So, you know, there was a meeting of all the screenwriters in Ireland and who did they choose to talk about me? And so one of the guys called me right after they’re at their meeting finished and said, oops, you know what?
Ronica, I would love to work. You know, and I mean, that’s what you want. That’s what you want. You’re not even there at the meeting, but there, you still come up. ’cause, you know, they, they, they, they thought, oh my gosh, we, we really are. We’re trying to get this initiative off the ground. We’re trying to, we’re trying to do a few certain things who would be best to talk to.
Well, there’s only one person Ronica. And so, I mean, that’s exactly what you want. You’re not even at the party, but you still, you still the topic at the party. So yes, that, that exactly, as you said, that quiet professionalism, that, that being on somebody’s mind, and that only happens when you, it’s funny, you bring up age.
I always said, I always said I wanted to quit my day job when I’m 30. And I turned 30, 30 days ago.
I reached my, I reached my independent by 30 goal. But exactly one month. And so, so, but yes, exactly. But it does take, it does take time until you become that person where you, you are regarded as someone who’s professional, as someone who can deliver by your peers. And that’s a hugely.

Tim: Absolutely. Now with that experience and with that recognition, there’s always tasks that you have to do that you absolutely hate doing, or that are very monotonous.
Would you, you know, releasing the old job. You know, full force into this new job this new career, this new endeavor what is some of the things that you hate doing that, you know, Hey, I got to do it. And how do you overcome those tasks?

Ronika: For me, the hardest part was always networking and I thought thought, which is ironic because that’s what I’m doing right now.
And I always said, oh God, that’s what I struggle with them. Or, oh God, you know, talking to people and pitching my stuff and, oh God, I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m not a people person. I’m a writer. All I want to say is I want to do is sit in my chair, not but the more I kind of did it. The easier it became and then exactly to bring that example up again, I didn’t even need to be networking.
It was a huge, big networking event, you know, huge networking opportunity. And I wasn’t there because I thought I know I can’t, but I played my cards so well, and I didn’t need to be networking. I ain’t got it. They got in there anyway. So, yeah, networking was a struggle for me, for the, I think that was the biggest struggle for the longest time because I struggled with it, but I, I kind of made sure to dive head first into that.
And I’ve overcome that a little bit. And right now I think the biggest, the most tedious I struggled with that question because I I’m really, really glad to be doing anything at all. Which is exactly how it should be. I think the social media aspect of it, they kind of the hustle. I think that I think just the daily hustle of answering DMS and weeding out the weeding out the genuine kind of can we work together requests from the just kind of plain old.
Messages you get on social media because because it’s all online now, you can’t just, you can’t just go to a film festival anymore or do something. Yeah, I think social media and the weirdness that comes with it, I think that’s the most tedious. And that’s the only part of my, of my job right now that I have to do that.
Absolutely have to do. But that I maybe don’t enjoy as much as I potentially. Good. So yeah, I think that’s, that’s the most tedious aspect that.

Tim: Gotcha. Yeah, it’s, it’s weird. I think for everybody because and I’m of an age that, you know, we didn’t have all this kind of all this stuff going on.
I know when I was 30. Oh, it seems like it was yesterday. I wish it was, but we, we didn’t have, you know, we didn’t have my space, we didn’t have geo cities. We didn’t have all this kind of stuff. And then you have a new. It seems like to me, I’m going to sound like an old man here. But like every, every week there’s a new social media thing that is popping out like clubhouse, tick, tick talks been around for awhile, but all that stuff.
And I know in the podcast world, when it’s like, oh, you’ve got to get on club house, you got to get on this. You got to get on discord. Where do I create my art, then what, you know, what am I supposed to do? And yeah. And I do the painting thing too, as a relaxation thing, myself with my girls and, and I paint like a four year old on crack.
So as long as you’re getting better, You’re doing fantastic.

Ronika: Yeah, no, it’s, yeah, you need that relaxation, but I agree with you with regards to kind of not knowing where there’s so much and you know, for writers. Oh my God. You know, there’s a billion avenues you could be pursuing and in the moment. That kind of harks back to, to what we were talking about earlier in the moments where you panic, where you don’t know where your next paycheck is going to come from.
And you’re like, oh my God, am I going, am I going? I could go back to copywriting for websites. I could, I could, I could do all of that again. And then you stop and you think, and you’re like, yeah, you did all that. When you had to build your portfolio, relax, take it easy. You got this, you know, you are on the path that you should be on.
You are on the whatever platform that you should be on. If you’re not, if you really, really need to take stock and really meaning need to redesign your career path, then do do that, but do it in a considerate, calm, non panicky head space, you know, because chances are you got this. Fine. And yes, there’s ticked.
Jeez. I recently actually joined tick-tock I don’t know what goes on.
We told a friend of mine and he turned 30. He turned 30 just a month before I did I’m on take tik tok now. And he’s like, that is disgraceful. You are 30 years old. Now you should not be.

Tim: Somebody that’s 48 that just got on Tik TOK. So,

Ronika: yes, exactly. So but yeah, no chances are you doing okay. Chances are you’re on the right path and life will tell you, you will feel it in your gut when you’re not on the right path. Something will tell you something will pop up to tell you. Maybe you need to, maybe you need to change whatever, whatever path you’re taking.
But chances are, you’re doing just fine.

Tim: Perfect I got one
more question for you. And that is. And I think we’ve been kind of hitting at this the whole time, but for you, how do you define, how do you define success for yourself and what needs to happen for you to reach that goal? So, you know, maybe you have a five-year or 10-year plan.
That’s a set up there, but for you, when are you going to know that your successful?

Ronika: Okay. So for the longest time of my life, It was the Oscar. It was kind of the big Oscar on the shelf. It’s not that anymore. I don’t think I would be nice to have that kind of commercial, huge, big blockbuster success.
You know, if, if, if a movie I wrote made a billion dollars, that be nice, but would I measure my success by it? No. No. No, not anymore. I’ve outgrown that I’ve outgrown the kind of fantasy world of wanting to be, you know, the next Christina Aguilera or the next spiel over her girl or whatever. I don’t know.
No. My measurement of success is very, very tiny, very, very tiny. Just from a purely kind of financial aspect. I would like to one day make 30,000 Euro a year without really struggling to get there. Sure. That’s not a lot. That’s not a lot. That’s like a part-time job. That’s really, really not a lot. I’m very humble.
I can live very, in very small ways. That’s financially speaking, emotionally speaking. I think I’m already kind of starting to be there to be quite honest with you because emotionally speaking, like exactly, like I said, I would like to be the person people think about, I would like to be that person that comes into people’s heads when they struggle with something.
When they have a question about something that is what I would like to be that. For as many people as I can possibly come across in my lifetime. And then they reach out to me and then I help them in whatever, when whatever problem they have. Yeah, that’s my measurement of success. Being able to help other people and especially in the filmmaking world it’s such a collaborative effort.
It is such a team. It is such a teamwork kind of approach that. Being able to be the person who helps others. Yeah. I think that’s the most, that’s the most success I could ever possibly want. Maybe, you know, in 20 years time, the Oscar will, will result from that. But I think that the point of my life, where I chase just the big golden glory at the, at the end of the rainbow, no, I don’t think I, I, I think I’ve outgrown that a little bit.
That’s how I would define success. Being able to live comfortably with, with a revenue stream that comes in from my art and then being able to work with people and help them

Tim: sounds great. It sounds like you get a really good focus on that. You know, versus, you know, just focusing on the Oscar because you know, if you think about it, think about the year that you were born.
I was born in 72 who won the Oscar that year. I have no. Yeah, I’d have to go into, you know oscar.com and figure that out. But I know in my network, who can I call when I have an issue when I’m, you know, struggling with you know a painting. So I don’t paint like a four year old on crack all the way I call now.
I know now I have that person that’s exactly.

Ronika: And Maya Angelou said, people will forget what, what What you did in your lifetime, people will forget what you achieved, but they will never forget how you made them feel. And that’s, I think that’s what I would like to live by.

Tim: Perfect. Well, thank you so very much for coming on.
I’m going to let you get back to bed, get some breakfast, whatever you need to do. I know I’ve got to get my girls up in a few hours anyways for school. So.

Ronika: It’s such a pleasure and it’s really nice. And thank you so much for having me on and I’m looking forward to hearing it.

Tim: You got it. You got it. Absolutely. Thank you.
Now that was a very informative conversation. That I had with Veronica and I am so glad that she reached out to me at the perfect time. Now, if you have more questions about how she managed her transition to going pro, please reach out to her via her website links again, or in the show notes. You know, going pro is scary, but with proper planning you can make it happen.
And even if you don’t plan on going pro, much of the information shared is good for you to be aware of and incorporate into your practice. You never know in today’s economy. If you might need to take that side hustle and turn it into your main hustle, when you take a professional attitude to your work.
Others will take a professional attitude approach to you and take your work seriously. If you’d like to appear on the show or have more questions or comments, feel free to reach out to me, timothy@createartpodcast.com and I’d be happy to have that conversation with you. Now. Go out there and create more than you consume tame that inner critic and make art for somebody you love yourself.
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