Art Meets Business: Elevate Your Presentations with Emily Schneider

Create Art Podcast interview Emily Schneider. Hello, friend.

This is Timothy Keem O'Brien, your head instigator for Create Art Podcast, where I use my over 30 years of experience in the arts and educational world to help you tame your inner critic and create more than you consume today. In this episode, I'd like to introduce you to Emily, who is a visual storyteller who specializes in PowerPoint design.

Now, she has a passion for turning complex content into captivating and beautiful presentations that resonate with audiences, blending storytelling with a keen design eye. Now, you may be saying to yourself, Tim, what's PowerPoint got to do with my artistic practice?

Well, if you're anything like me, I work a 9 to 5 job for the federal government. If you're a listener from, you know, a long time, you know that I work for custom border protection.

And a lot of the presentations that I give are to, let's say, stuffed shirts. But I'm also an artist, and I want to incorporate my art into my day job. Well, Emily is the perfect person to help you go about doing that.

This conversation that I have with her, she's going to be talking about her artistic background and how she brings that to the table when she's dealing with her clients. So that's something that we can all kind of, you know, put into our toolbox and think about when we're doing our artistic practice.

So right now, I'm going to get out of the way. There's going to be a lot of show notes there for you and a lot of links, so check out the show notes afterwards.

But right now, here's my interview with Emily Schneider.

Emily, how are you doing today?

I'm good. I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

Excellent. I'm excited to get this because my. My day job is to the right of me, and this is my fun job right here.

So I'm going to learn both in this interview, for sure. Let's jump right into it. And how do you incorporate traditional art principles into your presentation designs to enhance that storytelling?

I mean, you know, I work in the artistic world and in the business world. How do you make those happen together?

That's a really great question. I've actually never been asked that. But I think it starts or I think my approach is really like, it's rooted in what art should do for us.

It should make us feel something, think something, do something, respond. And so I apply those basic principles to the design world and to my presentation work. I studied visual communications or graphic design in college.

And so it's understanding how people digest information as well. Right? We read, you know, left to right, top to bottom.

So it's breaking up information and it's, it's laying it out in ways that we allow our audiences of the people reviewing our work to, to like, it mimics the way they're naturally processing, right?

I mean, you can throw something, you can make them curious, but if you set it up and it's totally bizarre, they're not going to understand it and they're going to tune it out. And so it's, it's understanding human kind of centric design or behavior.

I geek out a lot about the neuroscience and the data behind how we interpret information and how it becomes digestible and impactful. And so I help my clients lay out their stories to hit those key parts.

And, you know, knowing that this podcast is really about creating art, like, it comes with, like, what color means and how space and modular systems can really allow us the ability to focus in on something. And so it's using a lot of those basic principles, but applying them into an aspect that helps a storyteller shine brighter.

And with that design background that you have, how do you balance, you know, creating, you know, like a visually appealing presentation, but effectively communicating what you need to, you know, what that intended message is.

Because, you know, I think maybe, and I'm the newbie here, I think a failure is if I have this beautiful looking presentation and people are looking at the pictures but they're not following the message, I've completely failed. So how do you balance those two?

So I actually think that the challenge, or my goal is to not make one shine brighter than the other as a presenter, as somebody talking through your work, whether you're on a zoom call or you're in a keynote presentation, right, and you're the keynote speaker, or you're in a small meeting with your team, who's all, you know, kind of everybody's on the same level. You're not like a senior or whatever that looks like. It's. As a human, you connect to humans. And the idea of your slides is to reinforce that message.

It's to create this harmonious experience. It's. It's to support that and visuals. I mean, we're 65% more likely to retain information when it's visually designed.

So when you're talking about data, you're talking about growth from 2024 to 2025, and you say we've had 65% more inquiries than we did last year.

Like, think about the Power of showing an emotional picture and then pulling out that number and designing it really intently and making it really impactful.

And now you can talk about all the different avenues or how that number went in or how many, you know, turnovers you had or whatever that, whatever that, that information that leads up to that data.

But when you highlight the key and you just determine per slide and overall in your story what those key focuses are, those priorities and those details, and you focus in on that, you allow your, your, your voiceover to be this story and that the slides, again, just reinforce and support. And they don't compete, they actually complement.

I like that because you're tweaking my artistic side with, you know, saying the word storytelling. We are telling a story whenever we're doing these kind of presentations.

And so my, you know, my artistic side is just jumping up for joy, going, yes, I can do this for my business side of it.

Yeah. I mean, think about colors, right? If you use complementary colors, you're going to support this feeling or this emotion or this thing.

When you use contrasting colors, you kind of start to create this tension. Well, it's the same for your slides. And as a presenter, what do you want to create? What's that feeling?

One of the first things I work with my clients on, who is your audience and what that. What do you want them to think, feel and do at the end? And when they know that, then we know how to approach it. We know if we're.

We want to create conflict. We want them to be engaged.

We want them to ask these, like, really annoying, not, I shouldn't say annoying, but really tough questions or no, I want to like, tell them something that they feel excited about. And at the end they, they buy into. I don't want them to challenge it, I want them to believe it. Well, that creates a whole different kind of flow.

Right.

As a painter, you're going to pick a different palette of colors if that's what you want people to do with your work or feel, you know, and so it helps to navigate that and, and the colors come in play, obviously, in the design world too. But I think it's, it's tapping into that emotional and empathetic connection of what art does for us. And then it's bringing it to life through.

Through a really articulate and strategic story.

That's awesome.

In my previous life when I was in academia, I was a lighting designer. So when you say color, I'm immediately thinking about my seven hour lecture on color theory with lights and just how. Just with lights.

Not even paint or anything like that. How you can change an emotion or direct people to look, look over here.

Don't look over on this side of the stage because we got to move the set over here. So, you know.

Yes, totally. I love that.

So in what ways has your artistic influences evolved over time, and have they impacted your approach to visual storytelling for presentations?

Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I didn't even know this world existed when I was growing up. Right. I just knew it started with I liked ceramics. I liked getting my hands dirty and building something from nothing.

And I maxed out all the ceramics classes, and the ceramics teacher said, you got to go into different avenues. And so I started exploring.

Luckily, one of the director of the art department in high school kind of took me under her wing, and she helped me see that, like, drawing is really important.

Setting shapes, seeing how things work together, using, you know, being challenged by, like, can you draw something where you only use vertical lines? And a lot of these pieces, to be honest, are still in my mom's home, which is so comforting because I can come back and see how far I've come.

But I think what.

Where it really stems from is like, I've always been this creatively curious, empathetic person, and so I see the world through color, through emotion, through connectivity. And I've painted this picture for myself in order to understand concepts. And so now I just get to use that in a very.

Not very transactional, but, like, it is. And simply put, it's a transactional business story. And so the way I study or the way I get inspired has evolved. Right.

It started with wanting just to get messy and dirty and creating something and not really knowing where it was going. Then it kind of got into. I really geeked out about art history and understanding intention and purpose and themes and. Right.

And when you learn about art history, you learn about the cultural influences that move us and that made different movements. And it's really powerful, I think. And just to think about how people took so much time to be intentional with their strokes, with their.

With the way they built things, with the way things were crafted. It's still like, I still get so excited when I can learn about it. I actually spent some time over winter break at the RISD Museum.

The Rhode island school designed their modern art museum. And it spans everything from, like, things that were made this year to, like. I mean, there was like, ancient Grecian coins and skull.

And not skulls, but masks or shields and, like, helmets and stuff. And it's. And like, there's an expression, there's a story, there's something there.

And so I think when we can stay curious about what it means and how the inputs affect the output, it really helps to be inspired these days. To be honest, a lot of my inspiration isn't necessarily in doing more art because I spend a lot of time doing my art as my job. But I.

There's an amazing magazine I love called Uppercase. It's out of Canada. I. I get it at my local library.

She does four, four issues a year and she has anything from textiles to painting to you know, any kind of, kind of creative outlet. And she shares and she has these great stories. I love learning and just getting pattern inspiration or color combinations from there.

Dance, movement, music, it's another form of art. It doesn't have to be always something that are visual. It's also about the way we feel and then the way we express those feelings.

And then lastly, I know I've answered this question a lot. Again, I kind of mentioned the library. I'm a library geek. I love working out there. Not working out there, but working from there.

I still love working out, but not. I don't work out at the library, but our libraries have this.

A lot of the libraries in my area have a place called the makerspace and they are amazing. If you have a local library and you have access to a makerspace, whether it's your library or a neighboring library, I can't recommend it enough.

I take, I have young kids, my five year old, my nine year old, myself. Sometimes we just go there and we're like, they'll have pop up projects or let's figure out the other.

Last time we went we learned how to do 3D pen art and like you just get curious and they have the supplies and it's not, it's low bar entry, it doesn't matter what you come out with. But taking that space away from what? From always having to deliver something that is right, that is a.

Like always having a product in mind or like for me, always having to like design a presentation. Right.

There's a lot of pressure sometimes, but getting outside of that and taking that break and getting out there to be inspired differently is so critical.

Absolutely. We, we have that here in Fredericksburg. Absolutely love it.

They've got a podcast booth and They've got the 3D printers and the laser cutters and even sewing machines they have there. You can do your sewing.

Like one of them here is a two story building.

So like upstairs they have like all their like cool edge technology, 3D printers, laser cutting, edging, like all these model making materials, wood burning stuff. And then they have like their tables where you can work, work on stuff. They have button machines to sewing and embroidery machines.

And then downstairs there's an. It seems like you're in a, in a sewing class. Like they have a bunch of sewing machines with the work table.

And then I say they have a, like a Michaels arts and craft store on crack where everything's free, but they have shells and they have figures and they have pencils and they have coloring books and then they have stamps. And then they have, you know, the big, like in art school, we had those big portfolio bins with the large sheets.

They have drawers of stuff and you just open them and you just can start exploring. Like it's, it's amazing, especially as someone who you can't, you know, the investment to have all that in your house.

But then you start to like, box yourself in. I've already boxed myself in in this PowerPoint design space. I want to have the freedom to do other things. So that's what I love about those spaces.

It's fantastic. Everybody should check it out if they have it in their local library. If not, go get it or go to a library that, you know that does have it.

So for sure.

And you've kind of already answered this question here for me, but I want to harp on it just a little bit. Inspiration from other art forms. What are you bringing in from the makerspace into these business presentations?

You know, another thing that you mentioned, you know that you love looking at dance and music and all that.

How does that filter into this business presentation where we're always thinking that these business folks are all, you know, stuffed shirts, suit and ties, and they are not really interested in the quote unquote, artsy fartsy stuff. How do you bring that into them or where do you bring that from?

Yeah, that's such a good question. So I like to, like, kind of like my short pitch is like, I. My magical knack is simplifying complex information into concise, impactful presentations.

And what do I mean by that? Or why do I say that? Because as a kid, to be honest, I was one who was always curious about how things worked and how parts got together.

And in order to understand how things work, you have to break them down. And so I have always, always broken down information, concepts, things from when I studied dance.

Right, you broke that down from when I studied art or when I do art. It's steps, it's processes. And so that's what I bring into my world is I just naturally need to keep things simple in order to understand them.

And now I think one of my most guiding principles is less is always more. Right? There's the magic is in the simple stuff. You can layer, you can add it on, but you've got to start basic.

And so when I can bring the concept of color, the power of color, of color blocking, of using fonts to create a feeling or placement of things to create tension, you do, you could, you can really make a lot of impact in a little, in very simple ways in presentation design. And it's, for me, it's like, it's interesting question because for me it's like a no brainer.

Like I don't know how I do it because it just is the only way I know how to think about it. But I think it really roots into understanding like how things come together.

I mean, when you talk, when you were asking me that too, I was thinking about like, I'm not a great cook, but I do love cooking and I love, and I eat very healthy, which is very colorful.

And there are so many times where I'll look down at my pan on the stove and I'll take a picture because the color of the broccoli, right, there's like four different colors. Broccoli is in this jar. And I think about how that looks or my daughter will get enamored by the color of the sauce that comes out of.

I mean, a bad example is like when you put milk into like tricks or Cocoa Puffs and like, right. Like it's like when you think about how simple things, things make such magic and you get curious.

I think it just, it naturally inspires or empowers me to think, to bring that into my work.

That's great. And I like that whole simple process because I've noticed in presentations that I.

Do and maybe it's subtle or maybe.

Subliminal, but if I just change that font a little bit or if I, you know, I change the font color because where I work we're required to have, you know, certain borders and certain words have to be certain templates. Exactly. We have to have these certain templates, but the body of it and then how I actually present it.

I've had people say you're the best presenter we've ever had because you bring your personal experience into the things that I'm presenting and they really enjoy it. What is some challenges that you've experienced with visual storytelling? I would think maybe one of them would Be cultural differences.

If you're presenting to somebody that is from a different country or something like that, you can't necessarily use the same thing that, you know, we. We would use maybe like a. A Simpsons quote or something like that. But any challenges that you've found and overcome?

Yeah, that's. That's an interesting question. So I actually don't write content, so my clients come to me with that. So they've already. They've already.

I might ask them who their audience is, but they've already determined who that is and what that need is. My challenge is like, to be honest, is people over communicate.

They think that overdoing things, putting all this text or all these pictures on the slide actually like, helps make more of an impact. And it's really, again, going back to that concept of less is more. Less bullets, less words on a slide.

Allow your audience to feel the thing, to see it, to make it simple for them to digest, and then you build on it. What I love about park, when it's not. It's a. Not a one piece does it all. You get this story right.

It's pages, it's slides that come together to create this harmonious experience.

So, you know, when clients say, I have all these bullets and I have all these words and then I want all these pictures, and you're like, well, that doesn't work, right? What is the priority? Where are you talking from? What is the point of sharing all this?

Same as, you know, sometimes it's no words, you know, mood boards, you know, especially like I think about when I was working on my senior thesis, like the amount of color studies I did to create a mood, to figure out if it was more dark blue or more light blue. It's that kind of concept you've gotta work through. And again, it takes time to be more confident. At first, it took me a lot more longer to do it.

But like simply saying, like, instead of having all these words, like, what if we just created this mood board that gets the feeling across about what this experience is going to be like for them and shows them and gives them the ability to picture themselves in there. Again, if you can show somebody something, they're going to remember it way more than a bunch of bullets.

And all that they remember from those bullet presentations is it was overwhelming. And I thought about something else or to myself out or like, shoot, I got to go back and figure this out.

Versus a stronger presentation with more visual stories. They feel it, they think about it, and then they do something because of it.

That's Amazing. That's. We're going to bring you on over to CBP and you're going to retrain all our whole 40, 60, 4,000 people.

Love it. Let's go. It sounds like a good project for the year.

Absolutely, Absolutely. Absolutely. What advice do you have for those just starting out in visual storytelling and creating these presentations?

Whether they're working a full time, nine to five job and they got to make these presentations or they're a freelancer on the outside. And like you said, your clients give you the content and then you go with it. Where does somebody start with that?

So I think my advice for somebody who's in there is the biggest thing is to stay curious, keep asking questions, whether it's of your client or reaching out to people who are doing the work that you think you want to do or getting involved.

I got into presentations because I worked in marketing and we were making all these beautiful campaigns and these key theme graphics and we had to sell it into our client. And I started being interested in what my leaders were talking about in the meeting and how they were setting it up.

And then I asked if I could be part of either eavesdropping in or be part of building the deck or helping them gather what they needed. Right. Because it was, I was really curious. So.

So it's asking a lot of questions and then it's also raising your hand and being like, can you explain that to me? Because I love, like, I don't mind if somebody's confused. And I, like, that's the biggest compliment to say.

Can you share with me what your process is? How do you do this? What would you do with this? Right. I'm not asking you to do the work.

Right.

I'm asking you to help, kind of mentor me to figure out so I can think differently. Like, put that mirror up so I can reflect or see it differently. So staying curious, raising your hand for help, and then be an avid learner.

Like, and what I love about learning is like, you're never wrong. You just keep building on it. Whether, especially now that I, like, run my own business.

It's not even just the work and learning from one presentation to the next. Part of my goals this year is to spend 20 minutes every week taking a training course.

There's an amazing group out of UK called Bright Carbon and they have a bunch of resources that you, you have to, like, give them your information, but you can watch their tutorials, you can learn tips, you can get, you know, access, you know, they'll share free resources too. For where to find pictures and inspiration and stuff. So staying curious, raising your hand to learn more.

And when you learn more, the idea of failure or of messing up, it kind of to me gets. It's. It's to the wayside. Trust me, I have my moments. But I'm so able to pivot them and say, like, actually, this is an opportunity.

How many times have I written and edited it? Yesterday I wrote an email and I had typos in it. Guess what I wrote quickly as oops, I'm so sorry.

I got so excited about talking to you and that I didn't, you know, I messed this up or I meant to say it this way, sure. But the other thing is that's not my expertise. So I don't need to know everything.

I just need to know and be confident in what I believe in and show up and be ready to learn with somebody else.

That's amazing. That's amazing. And I've been asking all my guests about the impact of AI on not only their art, but their business work and their client work.

What are you seeing as future trends? Is AI really impacting what you're doing? Where is this going to go for you?

Sure. So let me just caveat that I am an optimistic person. So this doesn't scare me. I actually, like, I'm scared because I don't know how to use it.

Like, I want to know more. Right. I actually have just upgraded my ChatGPT so I could get better prompts, so I could figure out my tone.

But what I love about AI, for multiple reasons as a creative, it's an amazing brainstorming tool, especially when you're in your own bubble. It gives you the opportunity to bounce ideas up. What's another way to articulate this? This is the concept for a logo.

Like, are there other icons that I could think about? Or how else can I articulate light or brightness? That's not just the sun. Right. And you can iterate and you can say, no, that doesn't work for me.

And it starts to learn who you are and it saves you so much time and energy. And when I can use my energy in the right way, it's so much more powerful. I also use it. Again, I'm not a writer.

Sure.

I helps me write my scope of works. It helps me craft my emails.

Because if you can't tell, I'm a verbal processor who loves to do art, writing emails that are succinct, to the point and help my clients know what stage we're at in this project. Or what I need or whatever I might say it, but it's going to be a lot longer.

And they help me craft it and then I can refine it and I can work with that tool. From a design standpoint, I've definitely asked it, hey, this is the data my clients want. This is their goal of this slide.

What's the best chart to say? Again, I am a master of the PowerPoint, but I'm not always an expert in every nuance of how to show data properly. I'm not a data scientist, right?

I'm just the data design geek. And so I use it as a partner, as a collaborator, as a tool to build upon what I already know.

And it's helped me have more confidence, streamlined my processes, saving me time, saving me energy, all those things. And from a presentation standpoint, I actually don't work with AI presentation tools, but I know they're out there and can't.

And PowerPoint has its own, like, copilot, and then they also have, you know, the slides on the side that will be suggested. My only caveat is that. Or what I'm not scared about is those are great spot starters. Again, it's a great launching pad.

It gets, you know, how many times do you have something that you have to work on and you just can't get started? These tools get you started, but they're never going to replace the innate ability of being a strategic thinker, of knowing your story.

What are those key points? What do I want my audience to think, feel and do?

AI is never going to be able to say, here's the presentation I want, here's what I need, and to set it up, that works for you as a presenter and knowing your audience. And so again, it's a great supporting tool, but it's not the end all, be all. I don't think it ever will be.

Amen to that. I'm excited about AI. Like, like you said, I use it for brainstorming stuff.

I use it for, you know, it's.

Something that I'm not an expert in. You know, fix it up, make it look good and then ship it. And I agree with you, it's, it's, it's not going to replace you and.

Me, that's for sure.

Because, no, you know, they don't have enough computing power to replace us. You know, we're, we're, we're awesome.

So I also heard, and I don't know if this is true, but like one AI is powered by humans, so, like, it can only do as Much as we empower it. While it may be smarter or trained better, but also it's like a few years dated, if that makes sense.

So, like, it's never going to be able to replace, like, current events or current trends because it's always going to be a little behind us.

And so I think we're going to have to keep paving the way and we'll just again, bring it along, like, keep it on that leash that's safe and close, but, like, we can still control it, but, I mean, who knows? We'll see. Everything seems to blow up, and then we reset. But, like, humans aren't going to be. There's not going to be robots talking for us soon.

We're not in the Jetson world yet, so maybe one day, but I think we got a few generations there.

I'm still waiting for my flying car. I don't know about you. I'm still waiting for that.

Well, we've talked a lot about, you know, your clients and your business, and I'd like to dive just for a couple moments here, personal art projects that you may have going on that, you know, that you'd be interested in sharing with us outside of the presentation.

Yeah. So again, I. To be honest, it's a little limited these days because my energy is put in my output.

And it's something actually reflected on last year because I've spent so much time doing the design work that I actually, my. My time to, like, regroup or recharge is, like, on walks, so inspired by nature and seeing how things move. Or like, I pay attention.

Like, I'll pay attention to the most nuance of things, like how the wind is moving leaves. Right. And seeing that beauty or seeing those simple things in nature. And then we're also doing a remodel, a home remodel.

And so that takes a lot of art energy and aesthetic design. And especially it's so funny to me because I didn't realize how, like, 3D design challenged I am.

Like, the idea to, like, sense where these new wall spaces are going to be, and I'm actually building an office is. Is like, so beyond my concept, but I can see it in 2D. I'm like an amazing designer. Right. I get that. But so it's bringing this together. So it's been.

So that's like my big art project because there's a lot of vision and there's a lot of things and there's a lot of choices to create that mood board or that. That feeling. But I don't have the outlets. Unless it's with my kids. But I guess actually I do. I love diamond art, painting and sticker art, if you.

But again, my. My outlet of doing stuff is with my kids. It's. It's finding a way to connect with them over coloring or drawing or doing those things. So I don't.

I don't have, like, an art studio or projects on that side at this point.

Understood. No worries at all. I completely get that as being a dad of twin 10 year olds.

Sometimes it's just paint by numbers and you're happy with it.

Throw it on the wall and people come by and go, hey, that looks fantastic.

Great.

It's a paint by numbers. Enjoy.

Yeah. Yeah.

All right.

Well, Emily, thank you so much for talking with us here today. I definitely appreciate it. Is there any question that you wanted me to ask that? I did not ask for you this time?

No. This is such a fun conversation. Thanks so much for having me, Tim. It was awesome.

You got it.

I love being rooted in art. A lot of these conversations I have are based on business aspects, and it's so fun to think about it from an art side because there is.

There's a lot that goes into all. All that we do from a visual. From visual storytelling.

All right, well, thank you so much for listening to this full interview with Emily Schneider. I want to thank her most importantly for granting me some time with her.

She's.

She's an entrepreneur and she, you know, is at home working. So her time is very valuable. And I want to make sure that I say thank you to her for that.

And I want to say thank you to you for sharing your time with Emily and I in this conversation that we had. I think a lot of us out there kind of struggle with, you know, being our.

In our 9 to 5 job and trying to bring our artistic sensibilities into that job to make it more interesting. Hey, we all got to work, we all got to eat.

So why not make it the most pleasant experience that you can by bringing that artistic background that you have, those artistic sensibilities that you have right into the C suite level? So I hope you got something out of this. I know I certainly got a ton of information out of this conversation.

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If you are thinking about starting a podcast, I would love to help you out. I have years of experience in doing it. And hey, you're, you're listening to one of my oldest podcasts that I've been doing since 2006.

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Give us a look.

All right, you've made it to that point in the podcast where I'm going to let you get on with your day. I'm going to get on with my day. I appreciate your time and I want to thank you so much for listening to create our podcast.

You know, recently, back In January of 2025, we surpassed 10,000 downloads and for a podcaster, that just warms my cockles. So thank you for supporting me and for being there and for being the other person in the room while I do these interviews and do these episodes.

So thank you so very much. If you'd like to reach out directly to me, you can email me timothyartpodcast.com and let me know what you think about the show.

Let me know what you like, what you don't like.

If you want to be on the show and share your story with others and if you think that would be a benefit to folks which you know hint here it will be of benefit, then reach out to me. I'd love to have you on the show. I'm also running a survey. It's the 2024 survey. You can get links to it on the show.

Note, basically, I want to make this a five star podcast for you. I want you to get something out of it. I already get a lot out of it.

I get to talk to you every time I put out an episode and I get to talk to these wonderful guests every time I put out an interview. So if you have the time, I would appreciate it if you could fill out that survey.

Let me know what you want, what you don't want and that way I can make this show more of what you want and so that way you can share it with others because honestly, that's the best way to discover podcasts. So check that out in the show.

Notes for the survey.

It's the 2024 survey.

I know one of these days I'm going to update it to 2025, but for right now, you'll see it as a link to the 2024 survey and I appreciate you going ahead and filling that out for me. So that's it for the show. I want to again, thank you so much for listening. Now go out there, tame your inner critic. Create more than you consume.

Go out there, make some art for somebody you love. And maybe a PowerPoint presentation.

Do it for yourself.

I'll talk to you next time.